When I worked at a ship yard in northern UK I became involved in Nuclear technology that sometimes included Subs.
I was studying at the time - about to get baptised - horror of horrors, Nuclear. Anyway I just didn't tell anyone and carried on as a Nuclear specialist and then went to work at the power plant.
Had many elders criticise me for being involved in Nuclear technology but somehow, years later, those same elders always seemed to be counseled for adultery, financial irregularities, gambling, family issues etc etc. One of the biggest critics from my early days, I have just heard from Gordy, has left the truth - he used to say "to be a good JW and elder means keeping your life simple, I can get you a job with me at my Christian Cleaning Company - cleaning windows" - Twonk.
I'm glad I just ignored the sods and went my own way - albeit in the truth for many years
Jim
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What Careers, Opportunities Did you Have to Sacrifice - to be a Witness ?
by flipper ini know this may be an annoying subject .
but if you did have to give up doing what you wanted in a career or opportunity - what was it ?
how controlling was the organization over you, and were you counseled by elders or higher ups to not pursue certain jobs, opportunities, college , etc - so that you stayed in the witnesses for awhile ; not doing what you wanted?
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Horrible Apostates fall into Jehovahs Trap
by Jim Dee inas you guys are probably aware, the new watchtower for studying has shed new light on the generations issue (ie whoops we got it wrong, we were right before)
the co's here in aus have been briefed to inform the congregation (either formally or informally) that is is part of the cunning of jehovah
when jesus parted the non beleiver disciples from the core 12 (or was it 13) he made an outrageous statement and watched the weak walk off - thats exactly what jehovahs organisation has done today
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As you guys are probably aware, the new Watchtower for studying has shed new light on the generations issue (ie whoops we got it wrong, we were right before) The CO's here in Aus have been briefed to inform the congregation (either formally or informally) that is is part of the cunning of Jehovah When Jesus parted the Non beleiver disciples from the core 12 (or was it 13) he made an outrageous statement and watched the weak walk off - thats exactly what Jehovahs organisation has done today By testing Jehovahs "Meek", the apostates and unbeleivers have stormed off "to the evil bird catchers on the internet" and "fallen prey to weak thinking and unfaithfullness" "We thank Jehovah that those faithful have stood by Jehovahs organisation whilst this great sifting work has been undertaken and that only those who are faithful and have the new edition of the watchtower are blessed to know Jehovahs real plan" stated out CO on his visit this weak And they beleive it!!!!!!!!?????????? Forget the Pedo's and the UN, its all about who gets the latest watchtower Jim
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Horrible Apostates fall into Jehovahs Trap
by Jim Dee inas you guys are probably aware, the new watchtower for studying has shed new light on the generations issue (ie whoops we got it wrong, we were right before) .
the co's here in aus have been briefed to inform the congregation (either formally or informally) that is is part of the cunning of jehovah .
when jesus parted the non beleiver disciples from the core 12 (or was it 13) he made an outrageous statement and watched the weak walk off - thats exactly what jehovahs organisation has done today .
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As you guys are probably aware, the new Watchtower for studying has shed new light on the generations issue (ie whoops we got it wrong, we were right before)
The CO's here in Aus have been briefed to inform the congregation (either formally or informally) that is is part of the cunning of Jehovah
When Jesus parted the Non beleiver disciples from the core 12 (or was it 13) he made an outrageous statement and watched the weak walk off - thats exactly what Jehovahs organisation has done today
By testing Jehovahs "Meek", the apostates and unbeleivers have stormed off "to the evil bird catchers on the internet" and "fallen prey to weak thinking and unfaithfullness"
"We thank Jehovah that those faithful have stood by Jehovahs organisation whilst this great sifting work has been undertaken and that only those who are faithful and have the new edition of the watchtower are blessed to know Jehovahs real plan" stated out CO on his visit this weak
And they beleive it!!!!!!!!?????????? Forget the Pedo's and the UN, its all about who gets the latest watchtower
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UK- JW MINISTERIAL SERVANT SERIAL RAPIST
by DannyHaszard inman escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
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If what is said by Thomas is Accurate, then Bethel is nailed
The trail to promote Pedofiles leads all the way to the chairman of JWs in the UK,
1. Porter worked in Bethel
2. Porter was appointed (by Holy Spirit directing the work) to an elder, he was given positions of trust, he was a trustee in the congregation of Mill Hill
3. Porter was given, by Ron Drage et al an elevated position in Bethel for 7 years 4. What did he (Porter) do (Look after the service desk, protect the Pedofiles???)
This all took place on Ron Drage's et al shift, Ron and his fellow elders should all take collective responsibility and stand down
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UK- JW MINISTERIAL SERVANT SERIAL RAPIST
by DannyHaszard inman escapes jail for sex attacksbbc news - 1 hour, 42 minutes agoa jehovah's witnesss gets a community sentence for a series of sex assaults on children and adults.man escapes jail for sex attacks porter was put on the sex offenders registera jehovah's witness has escaped a jail term after admitting a series of sexual assaults on children and adults in clevedon.
michael porter, an elder in the religion, pleaded guilty to 24 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency on 13 victims aged 18 months and older.
among the individuals were others involved in the faith.
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If what is said by Thomas is Accurate, then Bethel is nailed
The trail to promote Pedofiles leads all the way to the chairman of JWs in the UK,
1. Porter worked in Bethel
2. Porter was appointed (by Holy Spirit directing the work) to an elder, he was given positions of trust, he was a trustee in the congregation of Mill Hill
3. Porter was given, by Ron Drage et al an elevated position in Bethel for 7 years
4. What did he (Porter) do (Look after the service desk, protect the Pedofiles???)
This all took place on Ron Drage's et al shift, Ron and his fellow elders should all take collective responsibility and stand down
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Is Ron Drage, Head of JWs in UK, Associated with Michael Porter Pedofile???
by Jim Dee ina michael porter is listed as a trustee at the mill hill congregation - which is where the bethel is and the bethelites go to.
listed below are the trustees.
extract from the central register of charities maintained by the charity commission for england and wales.
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A Michael Porter is listed as a Trustee at the Mill Hill Congregation - which is where the Bethel is and the Bethelites go to
Listed below are the Trustees
Extract from the Central Register of Charities maintained by the Charity Commission for England and Wales
LONDON, MILL HILL CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Click link for more details Trustees MR ELIOT WILLIS MR ROGER DUBOIS MR ANDREW DAVIES MR DAVID JOHNSON MR IVOR DARBY MR PAUL WADE MR PHILIP MARSH MR REGINALD DAVID MR ROBERT EDWARDS MR RONALD DRAGE MR STEPHEN HUAGIE MR STEPHEN BERNARD CHARLES CHARLES MR ORLANDO ZENI MR WILLIAM MACKENZIE MR JONATHAN CALDWELL MR MAURICE INGLES MR MICHAEL PORTER MR ALISTAIR THOMSON Extract from the Central Register of Charities maintained by the Charity Commission for England and Wales
LONDON, MILL HILL CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Click link for more details Trustees MR ELIOT WILLIS MR ROGER DUBOIS MR ANDREW DAVIES MR DAVID JOHNSON MR IVOR DARBY MR PAUL WADE MR PHILIP MARSH MR REGINALD DAVID MR ROBERT EDWARDS MR RONALD DRAGE MR STEPHEN HUAGIE MR STEPHEN BERNARD CHARLES CHARLES MR ORLANDO ZENI MR WILLIAM MACKENZIE MR JONATHAN CALDWELL MR MAURICE INGLES MR MICHAEL PORTER MR ALISTAIR THOMSON If this is the same Michael Porter - and it looks that way, then he is associated with Ron Drage and Bethel - the cover up goes all the way up to the top in JW's in the UK.
Jim
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Is Ron Drage Associated with Michael Porter?????
by Jim Dee ina michael porter is listed as a trustee at the mill hill congregation - which is where the betherl is and the bethelites go to.
listed below are the trustees.
extract from the central register of charities maintained by the charity commission for england and wales.
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A Michael Porter is listed as a Trustee at the Mill Hill Congregation - which is where the Betherl is and the Bethelites go to
Listed below are the Trustees
Extract from the Central Register of Charities maintained by the Charity Commission for England and Wales
LONDON, MILL HILL CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Click link for more details Trustees MR ELIOT WILLIS MR ROGER DUBOIS MR ANDREW DAVIES MR DAVID JOHNSON MR IVOR DARBY MR PAUL WADE MR PHILIP MARSH MR REGINALD DAVID MR ROBERT EDWARDS MR RONALD DRAGE MR STEPHEN HUAGIE MR STEPHEN BERNARD CHARLES CHARLES MR ORLANDO ZENI MR WILLIAM MACKENZIE MR JONATHAN CALDWELL MR MAURICE INGLES MR MICHAEL PORTER MR ALISTAIR THOMSON Extract from the Central Register of Charities maintained by the Charity Commission for England and Wales
LONDON, MILL HILL CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
Click link for more details Trustees MR ELIOT WILLIS MR ROGER DUBOIS MR ANDREW DAVIES MR DAVID JOHNSON MR IVOR DARBY MR PAUL WADE MR PHILIP MARSH MR REGINALD DAVID MR ROBERT EDWARDS MR RONALD DRAGE MR STEPHEN HUAGIE MR STEPHEN BERNARD CHARLES CHARLES MR ORLANDO ZENI MR WILLIAM MACKENZIE MR JONATHAN CALDWELL MR MAURICE INGLES MR MICHAEL PORTER MR ALISTAIR THOMSON If this is the same Michael Porter - and it looks that way, then he is associated with Ron Drage and Bethel - the cover up goes all the way up to the top in JW's in the UK.
Jim
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BETHEL COMPUTER SYSTEMS BEING UPGRADED!!!!!!!!!!
by badboy ini understand from a board member that they are upgrading the computers at bethel!
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Depends which Bethel and which System
The Brooklyn uses 4 separate networks - Publishing control, Back Office, Finance and Service Desk. The service Desk is the high secure one. The Service desk has a gateway for the specialised shepherding arrangement which is located remotely.
PAtterson has a 4 server network for Publishing Control. A single RAID server for BackOffice that interfaces and duels with Brooklyn. Finance have been running the same system for years (Windows NT secure network systems)
London Bethel runs 3 Server single network for Publishing, a duel servier for Backoffice which integrates accounts and Finance. Again the Service Desk is totally secure and has a separate gateway, they used a dedicated Kilostream (Nx64K)to the remote systems u8ntil 18 months ago, now they use Secure static IP ADSL systems.
As with all large corp systems, each backs up to the hard drive of another - in other words they negate the possibility of Single point failure. They use Static IP secure networks ADSL for this.
If its true that a new system is being installed, then that is either the finance system in Patterson OR the new computers needed for the presses - but that intgrates into the older Publishing control network anyway
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Was John Lennon's Half-Sister really a JW?
by CaptainSchmideo infirst off, let me say that i had no idea that lennon had any other siblings.
it is not something that jumps out at you when reading any of the biographies or history books (kinda like finding out about jesus' brothers and sisters!).
so when a friend of mine told me that he had a sister named julia, i thought she was having me on.. .
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Julia Bird used to go to the Birkennhead Claughton Congregation and then moved to Wallasey (Gordy can help here) She then moved to Neston and went to the Heswall Congregation. She now sometimes goes to the Chester Northgate Congregation as she till lives in Neston.Her husband (when she went to Claughton) was a greengrocer in Morton. She was never "in the truth" per se, but she used to associate strongly with them. Very friendly with the Douglas's in Wallasey, the Christians and also the Birds and the Crawfords in Claughton - which is where I know her from. A really nice lady and one of lifes gentle people Jim
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Were Jehovahs Witness like the Nazi's and would have worked for Hitler?
by Jim Dee inin the book auschwitz - the nazis and the "final solution" by laurence rees publised 2005. isbn 0-563-52296-8 page 210 to 212 states the following:-
for many, like else abt, believed auschwitz was a test: 'i'd read in the bible the story of abraham.
and he was told to sacrifice his son.
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In the Book Auschwitz - The Nazis and the "Final Solution" by Laurence Rees Publised 2005. ISBN 0-563-52296-8 pAGE 210 TO 212 States the Following:- For many, like Else Abt, believed Auschwitz was a test: 'I'd read in the Bible the story of Abraham. And he was told to sacrifice his son. And the Bible says he was willing to do it.But then our creator Jehovah saw that he was willing to and so he didn't allow it. He just wanted to test his faith. And that's what I thought.' And so the German Jehovah's Witnesses became the perfect house-servants for SS officers at Auschwitz - much preferred to Poles, who were used only when there weren't enough Witnesses to go around. Else Abt worked in the home of one of the senior SS members, his wife and their small daughter. She cleared the house, cooked their meals and looked after their little girl. Her attitude was: 'It wasn't the child's fault [that she was in Auschwitz]. It wasn't the wife's fault.' She performed her duties conscientiously and with compassion, even devotedly nursing the little girl when she fell sick and earning the thanks of her parents. It was scarcely any wonder, then, that the Jehovah's Witnesses were the prisoners Rudolf Hoess liked best, and not just because of their trouble-free behaviour. He had first come into contact with them in substantial numbers at Sachsenhausen in the late 1930s, when they were sent to the camp for refusing to do military service. Hoess records the extraordinary power of their belief, something that made a huge impression on him. When they were flogged because they did not conform to the rules of the camp he says that, far from begging for mercy, they asked to be thrashed again so that they could suffer more for their faith. He witnessed the execution of two Witnesses by firing squad, and was astonished to see that they held their hands up to the sky with blissful expressions as they awaited their fate. Hoess imagined that the early Christian martyrs must have gone to their deaths the same way. The behaviour of the Jehovah's Witnesses had a huge impact not just on Hoess, but on his superior officers as well. 'On many occasions,' Hoess records, 'Himmler as well as Eicke offered the fanatical faith of the Jehovah's Witnesses as an example. SS men must have the same fanatical and unshakeable faith in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Only when all SS men believed as fanatically in their own philosophy would Adolf Hitler's state be permanently secure.'39 At Auschwitz, Hoess and his wife employed two Jehovah's Witnesses in their own house, and were touched by the care they lavished on their children. Hoess describes many of the Witnesses as 'wonderful beings' Significantly, Hoess also records that he believes the Witnesses felt it was 'right' that the Jews should be exterminated, as their ancestors had been the ones who had handed Jesus over to be killed; this, however, is an attitude of mind that Else Abt denies. She believed that the SS were doing wrong - serving a 'demon' - by murdering the Jews. However, she thought she should show her own faith by her 'attitude'. This created an odd situation. She was faithfully, almost lovingly, looking after the daughter of an SS officer at Auschwitz, whilst the Nazis denied her access to her own little girl. She explains how she attempted to rationalise her circumstances by saying she felt she had to 'do good for any person', including members of the SS. Indeed, she admits that she would have would have worked dutifully in Hitler's house had she been told to. And to add further to this complex mix she could walk away from the camp and to her daughter at any moment she chose, just by signing a paper that stated she had renounced her faith. But she never signed: 'That would have meant compromise I never did it’ In a further twist to this strange story, when Else Abt was able to return home after the war she discovered her little girl had been looked after by one of the few JW’s who had renounced their faith in order to gain freedom. 'We came to visit him and his wife because they had brought up our daughter, and he cried like a little child because he was a coward.' Else Abt was not particularly grateful to him for taking care of her daughter because 'I wasmn’t worried [about her]. There would always been people who would have helped. We weren't dependent on one person "0vr creator knows to send us what we need, when we need it - and will always intervene.' Her daughter became a Jehovahs Witness herself. As a result, Else Abt says, she knew and was happy that I stayed faithful - not to a human being but to our creator Jehovah, because he looked out for us as I found out during my time in Auschwitz. He is able to change all people. People that hated us started to think and stopped hating us - quite the opposite, in fact.' To those who lacked that certainty of faith expressed by Else Abt, it is hard to see how a creator was 'looking out' for the Jehovahs Witnesses whom Hoess describes as being shot in Sachsenhausen. Nor does he seem to have been 'looking out’ for the Poles, Soviet prisoners, the sick, Jews and countless others who lost their lives so cruelly at Auschwitz. But one of intriguing aspects of the theological position taken by Else Abt is that such atrocities are immediately explicable to her, simply evidence of the will of a higher power whom we cannot fully understand but in whom we must have absolute faith. If God permits this to happen, then it is for a reason; it is just that we do not yet fully understand what that reason is. One must be careful of making an immediate and glib comparison, as Himmler did, between this attitude of mind and the fanaticism of the Nazis; not least because Jehovah's Witnesses, unlike the Nazis, believe in treating people with compassion and kindness. Nonetheless, if one substitutes 'Hitler' for 'Jehovah' in Else Abt's testimony, the words do bear a striking resemblance to the ideological position taken by SS men like Hoess. NOTE THE STATEMENTS Nonetheless, if one substitutes 'Hitler' for 'Jehovah' in Else Abt's testimony, the words do bear a striking resemblance to the ideological position taken by SS men like Hoess(Hoess was the Head of the Concentration Camp) 'Himmler as well as Eickman offered the fanatical faith of the Jehovah's Witnesses as an example. SS men must have the same fanatical and unshakeable faith in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Indeed, she admits that she would have would have worked dutifully in Hitler's house had she been told to. I also noted the Authors comments that:- To those who lacked that certainty of faith expressed by Else Abt, it is hard to see how a creator was 'looking out' for the Jehovahs Witnesses whom Hoess describes as being shot in Sachsenhausen. Nor does he seem to have been 'looking out’ for the Poles, Soviet prisoners, the sick, Jews and countless others who lost their lives so cruelly at Auschwitz. ========================================================================================== Food for thought indeed - especially when one ex Nazi d"Herr Van Oven described the 3rd Reich as "Paradise" (Page 9 of the Book)